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2008-07-14 [Iruvielle]: yea... plus the crashes... >.< Three times just today Elftown died on me... >.<

2008-07-14 [Tsunade]: i hate the crashes,i barly had hem with the older ET

2008-07-14 [_habnabit]: @Akatsuki: obviously it's your connection. It makes no sense for a site to run slower on a faster connection. Your network could be congested, or any number of other things.
But you can't blame ET for it, because it's not ET's fault.

2008-07-14 [Iruvielle]: It's not my connection... every other site goes as fast as it always has gone. My friends have the same problem. So, if it's not my connection, and it's not ET, then what the hell is it?

2008-07-14 [Tsunade]: same here!

2008-07-14 [Naome Sayuki]: ET loads fine for me, but this new layout is so confusing.. and on top of that.. I'm cranky already because a tooth that is supposed to be dead.. (had a root canal done)) is bothering me.. >.< and it hurts...>.>

2008-07-14 [Tsunade]: ouch :(

2008-07-14 [~*Crimson Rose*~]: its not my connection either because at home ET`s the only one that goes slow...the other sites are alright

2008-07-14 [Naome Sayuki]: Yeah... it hurts.. >.< -whimpers- but I'm seeing the nice dentist on wednsday ^.^ Update, saw dentist, dentist cleaned out the tooth, and I'm feeling MUCH better ^.^

2008-07-14 [Tsunade]: ok

2008-07-14 [_habnabit]: @Akatsuki: Ever heard of confirmation bias? You don't like the new layout, so any other perceived problems you're going to blame on the site update as well. Most people are saying that the load times are faster, and the pages themselves are smaller, so...

At any rate, [True, plain and simple] just told me that it's pretty much impossible to roll elftown back to how it was before this update. Ah well.

2008-07-15 [Iruvielle]: whatever, people are allowed to their own opinions... aren't they? -.-

2008-07-15 [_habnabit]: Sure. I'm just telling you that you're wrong.

2008-07-15 [Tsunade]: OPINION! doesnt mean ur wrong,doesnt mean ur right.

2008-07-15 [Iruvielle]: exactly, thanks tsunade! *hugs*

2008-07-15 [Tsunade]: welcome *hugs bac*

2008-07-15 [XxTsomexX]: This is an opinionated wiki [_habnabit], I know they probably can't change it back, it would require WAY too much work and it would probably fuck up the computer beyond repair, however, people just don't like the new layout, and they wish it could be changed back. As [Tsunade] said, no one is wrong here, no one is right. It is an opinion.

2008-07-15 [True, plain and simple]: I don't believe that [_habnabit] was trying to say that your opinions in regards to the layout itself were wrong, only the belief that ET is somehow "slower" because of them. If anyone is experiencing degraded performance from Elftown, I can assure you that it has nothing to do with anything that was changed on the layout, so believing that is, in fact, wrong.

There are several other factors that impact Elftown's speed though, so I'm not trying to say that you're wrong in noticing that it may not respond as quickly, just that there's no related reason it would have been different had the layout not changed. :)

2008-07-15 [XxTsomexX]: I, personally, don't really see any changes in Elftown's speed, but it has been crashing a bit more. Knock on wood it doesn't happen again, but I know my dad's computer and my own are horribly slow.

2008-07-15 [True, plain and simple]: Timeouts can happen for a number of reasons (which is what I assume you guys mean by "crashing"), but adding new changes require the server to be restarted, so it's possible that [Hedda] is restarting to fix a bug or something similar on some of the occasions where you're having trouble connecting. I can't be sure of course, but that may help to explain why it seems more frequent than usual. On the plus side, if that's the case, it should go back to being the way it was before soon. If not, there may be other network issues beyond our control.

2008-07-15 [All_Most PUNK]: Keep in mind that between all the work and the crashes (which aren't part of ET's revamp, just happened at the same time) there were long periods of time with ET being down or too overworked. Things should be smooth again with all the updates done.